New to Enhance - best starter setup with growth in mind?: Page 3 - Enhance Control Panel

New to Enhance - best starter setup with growth in mind?

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xyzulu no, you're wrong, see my instructions above. It's actually very simple to use Cloudflare on the same domain used for custom nameservers, you just have to have your domain registered at a registrar that supports glue records, like Namecheap.

xyzulu

I am happy to be wrong.. I understand glue records etc.. it's just the custom nameserver at Cloudflare part I thought was clear.. so..

Setup glue records, as well as A records. Point the A records where? If I point it to my enhance cluster then Cloudflare won't be used for DNS/proxy etc either.

Add domain to Cloudflare (and Cloudflare provides blah.ns.cloudflare.com at that point). Point domain you just added to ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com (ns3, 4 etc)?

Are you saying at this point Cloudflare detects the domain as being added and will even proxy traffic?

twest

xyzulu there's no "custom nameservers at Cloudflare" in the setup. The only thing you'd have at Cloudflare is the two A records that point at your custom nameservers ns1.blah.com, etc.

Custom nameservers need both the glue records (which aren't part of the DNS) and also the matching A records (which are part of the DNS).

There's no traffic to proxy for the nameservers, and in fact I don't think you can use the proxy for the A records or else the nameservers won't come up as valid nameservers as the A records need to publicly match the glue records. So you'd need to have the proxy toggle turned off on those A records.

You can use the Cloudflare proxy on all the other records for the domain though, which is what I do because my main domain serves many purposes (subdomain for billing app, subdomain for enhance control panel, subdomain for various other apps for marketing/email/etc), and I use the proxy and Cloudflare services on all those.

xyzulu

Yeah, I understand all this.

I think a lot of being lost/confused in this thread.. I'm not talking about using Cloudflare on the same domain as I might want name servers setup on.. I'm talking about (and I think others are) using custom nameservers ie ns1.mydomain.com (for a customerdomain.com on Enhance) and routing traffic through Cloudflare. This is not possible without a paid Cloudflare account.

twest

xyzulu there's no such thing as routing traffic via nameservers, that concept doesn't make any sense, as cool as it would be.

The closest thing to people's traffic inheriting Cloudflare proxy/features would be to have an Enterprise CF account. With that, users would have DNS records that point at your CFE account which would then be setup with records that point at their hosting at enhance, then their web traffic would inherit your CFE proxy+features.

There's not web traffic "flowing through nameservers" where that web traffic could be affected by Cloudflare... That's not how DNS works. The only traffic hitting your custom nameservers is when other DNS servers are pinging for updates, not traffic from joe schmoe on his phone trying to view a website.

xyzulu

twest There's not web traffic "flowing through nameservers" where that web traffic could be affected by Cloudflare... That's not how DNS works.

I'm actually fully aware of this. DNS is one of my areas of expertise.

Many people want to use Cloudflare as a proxy .. but also brand themselves (the traditional cPanel/Plesk/DA way) with ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com etc. This is not possible without a paid (Business and above I think) Cloudflare account.

However, if you are happy to use the allocated Cloudflare nameservers for your hosted domains this is possible with Enhance and a free Cloudflare account.

twest

xyzulu yeah if they want to deploy custom nameservers and make their main domain appear to be using those nameservers while also being fully encapsulated in Cloudflare proxy, definitely would need to pay out the ass for it.

I didn't get the impression anyone was trying to do that though. I took the questions as wanting to have their dns at Cloudflare while still being able to have custom ns.

Oh well, now we have a full thread with everything anyone will need to figure things out in the future at least, as I've had to repeat explaining this setup info to a few people already @_@

tecreasey

twest
1 server: control panel.
1 server: app + db.
1 server: backups

Andreas
My current setup is 6 VPS server
CP, DNS1, DNS2, backup, webserver, test webserver

I hope to get my Enhance setup running soon, and I am interested in knowing what spec/resources you are currently running on these different setups.

For instance, for just a DNS server, what are the absolute minimum resources for this server role? The same question applies to backup and CP.

I appreciate the App + DB server, which will likely be bigger and will vary depending on the number of clients, as there may be more than one of these.

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tecreasey our control panel server is a VPS server, which is important because there's no recovery process available in Enhance currently for a disaster scenario where the control panel dies - so having a VPS that can be backed up with snapshots is critical. It's a 4c/8gb server, overkill for resources but it's being run commercially so the cost is negligible. If we were a smaller operation I would probably use a 2c/4gb VPS and not be worried about it at all. If I was just hosting for myself/hobby Id even consider going for a 1c/2gb.

Everything else is dedicated servers, because we run commercially and dedis get the best performance/price ratio. Although when we were testing using the DNS server roles we did setup Enhance on some cheap little 1c/1.5gb VPSs to operate as DNS servers, They ran perfectly fine with that small of cpu/ram, but during installation we did have to use SCREEN so the session could fully run (regular ssh connection will drop before installation can finish on tiny servers). Once the server is install with Enhance, then it runs great... We ended up not keeping the DNS servers though, since we do 100% Cloudflare on everything, didn't need the custom dns servers.

We run a dedi for our backups system just because we want to reduce any potential bottlenecks during a disaster scenario (don't want a VPS provider limiting our network transfer speeds, or IO, etc) - so it has 50cpu/128gb ram, 8TB NVMe storage, and a beefy network. I know a lot of people run their backup server on a VPS to reduce cost and simplify setup, and that's fine too, at least with a VPS it's easy/cheap to add additional storage drives or increase existing storage. There's some great VPS options that include high storage too, I'd be cool with using that kind of option if our needs were smaller.

You pretty much have to use whatever is best scaled to your needs. Enhance is really flexible in that you can put it on pretty much anything, easy to start out small if that's what you need and go bigger later. There's no per-server cost, so that helps, just have to find yourself some good infrastructure providers 🙂

Copernic

Allow a generous amount of disk space on the control panel VPS if you plan to import accounts from cPanel (as well as Plesk and soon DirectAdmin)
the files during import are stored temporarily on the control panel VM and if you don't have enough space (for large accounts), your import will fail

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