Add support for Caddy webserver

gavin

1) It handles all TLS certificate operations (ssl generation, renew, ocsp, on demand generation, cluster operations, verification, etc) without any 3rd party modules or any manual interaction. More robust than anything else in the market.

2) Written in memory safer language - Go.

3) Configuration is much simpler and cleaner to read or write.

4) Matches Nginx performance.

5) Active community and team is very helpful. https://caddy.community/

AdamM

+1
I would like to use caddy but it doesn't have htaccess support

enhost

Id love to see Caddy, we use it quite alot outside of enhance.

AdamM It may not support .htaccess but i've ran Laravel and WordPress projects with it no problems. Also NGINX does not support htaccess anyway

Adam You could disable Caddy's auto TLS and pass it certificates in the config if your already handling them, that may also make it easier to swap between web servers without reissuing certificates.

Adam

Our web server support is modular so potentially it is possible to support Caddy if people want it.

Having Caddy handle LetsEncrypt might add some complexity since this is normally done within Enhance. Currently it's done centrally but this will shortly move to appcd which runs on each application server within your cluster.

Adam

Just to add, we use Caddy for some internal platforms and it's extremely reliable.

gavin

Nice to know that. I hope more people try Caddy and see how amazing it is!

pherrmann

Hello @Adam what is the status here? Is there enough demand for this to become part of the roadmap?

DracoBlue

JohnB

enhost so tired of htacess being what customers expect or in some cases need because shit software relies on it.

Kosta

I would like to see Caddy added as web server, and I just read something interesting regarding FrankenPHP:
FrankenPHP's worker mode reduces the software's response times by 80%, while reducing by more than 6 the number of machines required to serve the same number of users.

Seems interesting Caddy and FrankenPHP

Zoinkies

Kosta Caddy is really memory intensive, watch some benchmarks v nginx. Caddy falls off quickly.

Kosta

Zoinkies I don’t care about the benchmarks, I make my vote 1+.
If there is 10x web servers out there I would like to be supported.

John-P

I absolutely love Caddy and we use it for a lot of projects, there is no control panel that I'm aware of that supports it, and it would be a fantastic thing to see available in Enhance.

As an aside to that though...

Kosta If there is 10x web servers out there I would like to be supported.

Why? Why would you want to add complexity and potential points of failure, and probably slow down support and future development, for no real reason?

If your particular use case says that webserver X is better than webservers Y and Z for your needs, then of course you want that one server to be supported, but why a massive variety that you are never going to use?

tomtr202

+1 for Caddy

Kosta

John-P let’s say we have 2 different grocery stores on same street one have 2 types of fruits and vegetables other have 20 types of fruit and vegetables.

What grocery store will make more profits in a year time?
What grocery store will have bigger customer satisfaction and base?

I can see many people here doesn’t even bother to add their votes to any feature request, do you guys believe that enhance will slow down current list of features in dev to add something new and slow down something you are waiting for. I don’t think so.

JohnB

Kosta Let me respond with another analogy.

A little sandwhich shop that sells just a few different types of sandwhichs but they are GOOD, always great service, its clean and just pleasant. This place will be in business a long time.

That big resturant that has too high of prices because their menu is huge but all the food is just mediocre. This restaurant will go bankrupt.

The issue with trying to support everything (huge menu) is the business won't be good at any of them vs specializing in just a few things but being really good at them.

Right now Enhance is the sandwhich shop but only one item is good and the rest is bland. Great service but the only way they will suceed is to improve the quality on the other items too, not add more items.

John-P

Kosta let’s say we have 2 different grocery stores on same street one have 2 types of fruits and vegetables other have 20 types of fruit and vegetables.

What grocery store will make more profits in a year time?

The one that has the best fruit and vegetables, regardless of how big the selection is.

Kosta

JohnB your analogy not connected at all.

Try to type only 1+ it’s much easier and you, us and our customers will get more without sacrificing any quality.

As mentioned many many here keep online posting stuff but on end none of I can see 1+ on any any! Features requests.
Total shame

Kosta

John-P still not understanding…
Good luck

Enhance doesn’t provide or grow fruits or vegs and does not touch the quality of them it’s just supply them via API or whatever.

( web and db apps - fruits and vegetables )

John-P

Kosta Enhance doesn’t provide or grow fruits or vegs and does not touch the quality of them it’s just supply them via API or whatever.

Right, and every additional type of fruit that they supply, they also have to add complexity for, ensure that everything is updated to continue supplying when the fruit grower makes changes or updates, and offer support for. All of that takes dev time and support time away from other features, and you are one of the people who is regularly complaining about how slow you think that is already.

I'm not arguing against how good Caddy is (which it is) or that it would be excellent if Enhance supported it (it would) but the statement that they should support every, or at least many "If there is 10x web servers out there I would like to be supported" webservers just doesn't make sense right now.

John-P

Kosta still not understanding…

Also, this is slightly patronising. I understand your analogy perfectly, I just don't agree with you.

Kosta

John-P . All of that takes dev time and support time away from other features

They will logg and develop after they complete all current features list in their plans they won’t delay anything that’s in their plans…
You telling me that if you type 1+ they will stop all their current dev work to start with new feature requests….

Few year ago I was with web host company that didn’t support LSE and LS cashing I left company ant go with company that supported LSE and LS cashing at that time.

Tomorrow when I spend 100k on servers I would expect to fill up that servers in less than a year really with every potential customer who contact me and ask me do I support this?
Would I get that potential customer if I say No I don’t support caddy web server or something else? No I won’t!

How difficult is to type 1+ -
???? Seems very difficult to many here, unfortunately.