Backup setup: Page 2 - Enhance Control Panel

Backup setup

ClouderNode

Slicie.com is a good option also

btraill

Currently testing some servers from https://servarica.com/black-friday/#storage

Kosta

If you need backup server for 600+ clients get you own server hardware at your chosen DC forget about vps

leonardo

Kosta yup, as we start moving clients to our own hosting, I will be getting dedicated servers instead of VPS

Thanks for input

dalet11

We tried AlphaVPS as a backup server, but the IO was so slow that the backups failed every day. Their support did not respond in 2 days so we canceled it and got a physical server with 2X 8TB HDDs in RAID1 for the backups. It works like a charm, but it costs much more than a cheap VPS.
For us backups are critical so it is worth it, we prefer reliability.

rdbf

dalet11

They have huge variability within the same products, probably a mix of various generations of hardware depending on the datacenter. I tested 2, and in terms of read/write performance there was a 10-15x difference in I/O.

cPFence

dalet11 We tried AlphaVPS as a backup server, but the IO was so slow that the backups failed every day. Their support did not respond in 2 days so we canceled it and got a physical server with 2X 8TB HDDs in RAID1 for the backups. It works like a charm, but it costs much more than a cheap VPS.
For us backups are critical so it is worth it, we prefer reliability.

Yes, cheap storage VPS options often struggle with IO issues when exceeding 1 or 2TB. Still, you have two choices:

Get a dedicated server like the one you mentioned, this is the easier method.
Or, grab several 1TB VPSs (AlphaVPS works best with the Dallas, USA DC in our tests) and group your Enhance servers into smaller groups (easily managed using the Enhance group feature), with each group backed up to one of the VPSs.

We prefer option 2 to save money and avoid putting all our eggs in one basket, but others opt for a single big dedicated box for peace of mind.

vsmbg

pulse Contabo is pretty cheap, I don't think anyone can beat them in the price battle. However, their service is terrible... We have a server that was purchased for a year and on the first month we lost access to it, can't be re-installed, nothing. It is not even showing in their control panel. We are sending them weekly mails and since like July nobody has ever replied 😃 I'm not joking, I wish I were.

Kosta

vsmbg If You want to build hosting company or web agency with own hosting , never go to other hosting provider to get a server always buy the server u like and place it at DC of your choice. Don’t bother at all you be loosing all your customers eventually. Obv the cost for server can be 5k to 125k depending what you building but it’s much cheaper (long term) to get loans from bank or government to fund your own IT Infrastructure. With good marketing even big servers can be quickly filled up with tenants to give you good profits. 3-5 years loans be paid off and you have all your servers in DCs of your choice and you pay only for electricity and uplinks. Don’t bother getting loans if you don’t have good marketing strategy, as you gonna loose all.
And never buy second hand, always look for latest technology like cpu, ram, nvme, uplinks of at least 2x10GBs per server etc.
We can play as much as we like with VPs for development other than that not good.
And by the way all your IT need to comply with ISO 27001, NIS2. Otherwise big penalties that gonna force you to close your company.

ivansalloum

Kosta Same like getting a Dedicated Physical Server from a provider.

Kosta

ivansalloum yep

Rich

cPFence I also did option 2 and have split my backups across the pond. I am more GDPR compliment for the EU folks and the USA server is more CCPA friendly. Technically the new EU-U.S. Data Privacy Framework should cover a single instance if done correctly.

Kosta

Last advice, build all your servers under MAAS , for your enhance cluster. And build OpenStack under that MAAS and you good to go to offer all you like to your customers and if you mange to get compliant with ISO 27001, 27017, NIS2 and PCIdss then you good to go to overtake major hosting and cloud providers 😉
Don’t forget use your own hardware and make sure you are the only one who can access physically the hardware!
Probably to start you gonna need 100k as minimum for MAAS and 200k for openstack hardware !

Kosta

If someone here thinks to forget about compliance, well don’t get surprised if you get on the 5year of your business penalty for 1 000 000 with notice pay within 14 days or we shut down your company.

felikz

I had success using Hetzner’s storage box as a backend for BorgBackup which I run as a daily cron job on my enhance backup server. This allows me to have short term retention on the backup server (for quick restores) but longer term “cold storage” for recovery if everything goes to pot/I need historic data. Works a treat, fast, and has been reliable for years like that.

Negatives are, I’m backing up a backup, so if the backup is bad then the backup of that is bad.

cPFence

felikz

For Hetzner’s storage box, I’d recommend considering using it as a Loop Device instead for peace of mind. This guide made by @slimx might help. We haven’t tried it yet, but it’s on our to-do list , it sounds promising. Since storage boxes come with snapshot backups, this setup could be a game-changer. My only concern would be the performance of the loop device in a production environment, so testing thoroughly would be crucial.

That said, I’m not a fan of the idea that even backups are on Hetzner’s storage box , considering we rely on them for all our servers. If Hetzner ever has a catastrophic issue, we’d be in serious trouble! It’s always better to diversify backup locations for added resilience.

gmakhs

Once enhance improves the s3 function to be incremental, S3 will make sense

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