What do you think of hetzner

mike

I am still trying enhance and by the current progress i think the current roadmap timeline is too optimistic. i believe i will start using enhance by the end of this year. In the meantime 2 servers on oracle cloud are costing me around 80 bucks. Hetzner cloud servers are so cheap 2 servers for like 30 bucks 🙂.

Has anyone tried their cloud offering ?

Usage: 2 websites (1 personal eCommerce + 1 business CRM ) on enhance.

Adrien

mike I'm using them for a few years now. Never faced any issues. For production stuff, I've also slowly moved away from Upcloud to Hetzner and so far so good. They've really improved.
Perf/Price ratio nothing beats Hetzner right now.

I hope you start using Enhance sooner.

mendozal

mike I use Hetzner cloud too, never had any problems. Their tools are very straightforward and easy to use.

Zoinkies

10/10

AdamM

Adrien what products exactly do you use at Hetzner?

Adrien

AdamM Im using a mix of BM and AMD cloud instances.
I kept my Control Panel with Vultr in Paris and plan to move it to Google Cloud end of this year.
Here's what I have with Hetzner right now:

1 BM 5950X for WP (Application role)
2 DNS Nodes (one in Falkeinstein and one in Ashburn) - AMD cloud (DNS role)
1 Email DVM - AMD cloud (email role)
1 BU VM - AMD cloud (BU role)

My plan is to mix cloud / BM and separate websites based on Workload (to avoid putting WP basic sites with Membership+Woo sites). Ideally, I will be stacking all small brochure websites on my BM. As for Woo/Buddy/Memberpress, I plan to put them on the cloud first in their own VM.

How about you mate?

DracoBlue

I recommend www.php-friends.de

josedieguez

hetzner storage boxes 3/10
hetzner cloud instances AMD on US, 10/10 (considering the price).

MediaServe

Interesting. I myself get a lot of abusive traffic from Hetzner, (blocked by cPGuard in large part thankfully). Part of the problem is their size and pricing. Perhaps not as bad as OVH, but still enough to be a pain in the arse. I would imagine it might be a pain for new Hetzner cloud VMs with IPs used historically for spam to be delisted from dnsbls, and IP reputation would be difficult to overcome without the passage of time and good traffic.

We're not a large host by any means, (honestly it's a struggle to keep up after all the cPanel price rises without being priced out of the market), but there is a price point where colocation becomes better on the budget. Otherwise I'd have been tempted to try Hetzner for something, but the spam/abuse is just horrendous and leaves me with reservations even with the attractive pricing.

I might be tempted by a 20TB storage box though. Our offsite backups at rsync.net are more expensive and not compatible with Enhance, so I'll probably spin one up for that purpose.

(Sheesh it seems every time I post I have to edit about a half dozen times to correct all my typos lol.)

kyzoeadmin

We use hetzner for all our servers, and never had eny problems, we still have some OVH and SCaleway server s running (mainly with directadmin ) and some VPS servers. Which we tend to move to Enhance asap.

our setup:

https://images.kyzoe.be/chrome_z8hAOKdfrB.png
Total amount of users: 380+: https://images.kyzoe.be/chrome_yUr4HPv3ty.png

S1 is a hetzner AX101
B1: is a hetzner auction server
CP: is a hetzner VPS

We are very happy with it, as soon as possible we"ll move our other 1200 sites to a similar setup.

mike

Thank you guys for the feedback. I am amazed by the positive feedback. I always though of them as a low budget provider as our ironport flagged their AS's constantly.

@Adrien well the prices are considerably low compared to other providers. hopefully i will start using enhance for clients soon.

@kyzoeadmin nice setup you have. How do you maintain these 400 websites on enhance regarding logging, security, monitoring etc ...

kyzoeadmin

mike Logging is a bit of a issue for the moment, Waiting on enhanced for good integration, next to that we use https://hetrixtools.com/ for serve rmonitoring and on the server glances to see a lot of info. Basically we have not much issues to encounter enhance is very stable.

https://status.vcloud.be/

digitalexpanse

I ditched Hetzner when I got a DMCA, and they threatened to block the IP of the entire server. Wouldn't that be fun with a few hundred clients running on a single instance. Even moving the culprit wasn't sufficient; they wanted a novel about how I would ensure it never happened again. And I'll add it wasn't even legitimate.

The only thing we use Hetzner for today is a 12TB backup we bought from Auction that costs nothing. Otherwise, we run:
40c/80t, 128Gb, 2xNVMe
24c/48t, 64Gb, 2xNVMe

None of these are even remotely at capacity, as we've found it near impossible to scale in Enhance due to missing features like real staging and the ability to restore to any server. If these existed today, we'd be golden.

@kyzoeadmin are you hosting WP? How are you dealing with owners/staging?

Isaia-Arknet_PTY_LTD

digitalexpanse None of these are even remotely at capacity, as we've found it near impossible to scale in Enhance due to missing features like real staging and the ability to restore to any server. If these existed today, we'd be golden.
e
I am curious what hosting panel are you using at the moment that offers the functionality you are describing? I am sure it is not cPanel 🙂, Or is it more like you have the above as a wish list or an incentive to migrate to enhance ? 🙂

I do like these guys, and they are doing a great job. Considering the size of the company, I think there are always clients that use the opportunity to get what they want, and that is not a bad thing, but at the same time, clients like myself use caution in asking for new features when Core or Active software still needs care and bug fixing.

A few examples are:
All bugs found to date (we need this done to be able to function as a business)
WHMCS proper integration (for now, it is a pain and incomplete) (we need this done as for now we have to create documentation for the client on how to use it) (without billing, We can not sell, if we do not sell we do not make the Cash 🙂 )
Documentation (you know how many times I had to train clients on how enhance is to be used)
1 person from enhance team should dedicate full time to write some proper documentation for the end-user (all of us would win out of this)

It is a trap to keep starting new functionality but not finish the Core ones.

Do not get me wrong, but if you asked me, I would put stagging or other things somewhere at the end of the list 🙂 But again, Enhance Team really do their best, and I am sure they will try to squeeze in some features and get them done working overtime. (i hope will not be a death trap)

Regarding scaling, Enhance is the next level compared to Cpanel. Regarding server scaling and adding new servers in the environment, each can be on different hardware etc.

Here is cPanel: https://docs.cpanel.net/knowledge-base/roadmaps/cpanel-cloud-edition-roadmap/

kyzoeadmin

WE host mainly WP yes, owners are not a real problem as i see it, we do allow Adult on the servers, but have fairly normal customers i think, Only a very small portion of users are using staging so not much going on there. We don't offer it in our packages as a feature.

Adrien

Isaia-Arknet_PTY_LTD Very interesting! Thanks for sharing this link it's precious knowing that.

@Adam @Aliysa_Enhance Do you think this DNS load balancing concept of cpanel cloud edition could be implemented in Enhance in the future? Would bringing Kubernetes into Enhance be something you thought of?

Powie

We use Dedicated Server only @Hetzner..... Great.....