xyzulu I think there should be two forums. One for people who think they don't need sysadmin skills and refuse to change their opinion. They want the world and don't even know what they are asking for. I'm so tired of a bunch of feature requests that amount to "I want to just install panel and click buttons and make money. Add more buttons pls"

The other forum for people who know at least the basics.

People call stackoverflow toxic but man did they not tolerate stupid questions. Questions where the person obviously didn't try, for example "how to make mysql fast" would be met with a "toxic" response shaming the person. It was very effective.

If you can't be bothered to use google to learn the basics why should someone spend their time helping you for free?

JohnB People call stackoverflow toxic but man did they not tolerate stupid questions. Questions where the person obviously didn't try, for example "how to make mysql fast" would be met with a "toxic" response shaming the person. It was very effective.

Public shaming of shameless stupidity is the most effective tool. But this is a forum tied to a commercial product, so I'd understand when the Enhance people wouldn't appreciate that dynamic. And people feel this, so they don't all trash the obvious candidates.

Just someone willing to spend 3 x 10 min a day, given the permission to clean out the bad apples would be enough.

Also, the lack of progress in the last +/- year for the end user is a large part of this. Feature request? Throw it on the big pile for 'some day after v12'. Great idea? On the pile. Security improvement? -> Pile. It doesn't foster any community vibe.

I disagree. I've been part of many hosting related forums, from cpanel to ispconfig and a bunch in-between. Heavy moderation tends to drive users away. Maybe posts would become higher quality technically, but the spirit of 'community' always suffers.

It doesn't have to be a free for all, but people should be welcome to ask dumb questions, and people should be free to crush trolls imo.

Perhaps as a middleground we just need an addon like Ignore Users, then users can filter their feed of anyone they don't like:
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/20681-friendsofflarum-ignore-users

xyzulu I appreciate your perspective, and I think you raise some valid points, but I also see things a bit differently in some areas.

While I understand that as someone with 20+ years of server admin experience, some newbie questions might feel repetitive or even frustrating, we all had to start somewhere. These forums should ideally serve as a space for everyone, experienced sysadmins and newcomers alike, to learn and grow. Dismissing those who ask basic questions might discourage people who genuinely want to learn.

That said, I do agree that there’s been an increase in discussions where people don’t seem willing to listen or learn, they just want to do things their own way regardless of advice. That can be frustrating for those of us trying to help or maintain constructive conversations. I’ve noticed it too, and I think better moderation could help keep things more focused and productive.

However, I think it’s important to recognize that even seemingly “basic” or “stupid” questions can also lead to valuable discussions. For instance, take the many conversations we’ve had around backups. A simple question like “What’s the best backup strategy?” might sound naïve at first, but it often opens the door to sharing unique solutions and approaches that even seasoned sysadmins might not have considered. I’ve personally learned a lot from those exchanges.

One thing I’d strongly emphasize is that anyone planning to use Enhance in a production environment should first invest time in understanding Linux, at least the fundamentals. And for goodness sake, stop googling how to start a hosting business.

I tend to only dip into threads that grab my interest from the subject line and ignore all else. Time is money and both are scarce lately (for me at least lol!)

Odd way to attempt to establish credibility by emphasizing your [extensive experience]. The tone comes off as dismissive and condescending. You're directly implying that your opinion matters more than others.

I know plenty of seasoned professionals who are narrow-minded and outdated in their approach. Years of experience != knowing better than others.

Everyone — whether they’ve been in the field for a year or two decades — can contribute to the conversation, and in my opinion, it's important to keep the tone open and welcoming for those seeking help or trying to learn. (Wether you personally believe they are trying to learn or not)

I’d even go so far as to call this post an example of what your thread title is pointing to.